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To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:14 AM

[The Positive Atheism front page says:]

It is good that "you" are open, and we might learn something. I am just visiting as I have received this website from Churches@churches.com. I have been where you are, now. Now, I am where you will be. Just a statement, for you know not where "I am." I have no argument nor disputation with you, let that be understood. Basically, the only comment I have is that, you are doing the will of God. We all seek truth. Some find the Truth, and others find truth as of the world, of which I am not. Though in the world I do see the injustices. Pardon the cliche, "Man's inhumanity to man."

TRUTH 31

There is a false truth written down over time
By others who are known by their stature
By their position of greatness and mind,
Those who are rich worldly and sure...
And they know the answers and where they are
Found, in what books and the companions kept
They are sure they know the answers from afar
Yet there are many of these people totally inept,
They repeat what has been said from ages past
Their intellect grown into an ego away from heart
They are famous or powerful and so are asked
For their wisdom and answers that are from us apart
But their time is coming when all they know...
Is just another answer from the world in they live
A world separate from what is actual and true
This world where they find their answers and give
Each a response, not found in their heart but added to
By their ego and position, they tell us what they want
The people to hear and try to control them by words
Most accept as the gospel, right, concealed detante,
Yet they forget who is in control as sung by birds,
For not a sparrow falls that he does not know of
So he has sent a spirit eagle to set them in place
No small bird not able to fight, as a morning dove,
But one with power, talons sharp and shows no grace.

Loren/all rights reserved

From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To:
Subject: Re: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:23 PM

One of our readers likes to visit the religious websites and then alerts us to the more off-the-wall websites he finds. The one at churches.com is one of those websites.

We visited churches.com, spent some time there, and found it to be quite amateurish in that the tirades contained many typographical errors of the kind that displays poor writing skills. Unwilling to resist the temptation, I sent an e-mail to Pastor Jerry R. Wilhite, mentioning that we had listed his web site in the "Goofy Religions Index" of our Web Guide, and mentioning the presence of the errors.

Unfortunately, the letter itself contained a typo of the kind you would expect of a man who was both hurried and has visual impairments (I admit that I did not check the letter carefully, but merely dashed it off without checking it).

Pastor Jerry R. Wilhite has been menacing us with e-mail inquiries ever since. As of yesterday, he insists that we never posted a link to his page as promised (yet a search of the source will reveal the presence of the string "churches.com" and a test of the date of the document will reveal that at the moment of this writing our Goofy Religions document is much older than yesterday; the one that lives there at this moment was posted on May 3, 2000).

The reader who alerted us has asked that we post the exchanges between Rev. Wilhite and myself, but they are not of the quality that we use in our Letters section -- although we do admit that our initial contact with Rev. Wilhite was a wrong move on our part.
 

I have been where you are, now. Now, I am where you will be. Just a statement, for you know not where "I am." I have no argument nor disputation with you, let that be understood. I have no argument nor disputation with you, let that be understood. Basically, the only comment I have is that, you are doing the will of God. We all seek truth. Some find the Truth, and others find truth as of the world, of which I am not.

How convenient: You are able to find an excuse to make bold, unsubstantiated claims without having to back them up. I wish I could get away with this and still consider myself an honest man.

We try to discover what is verifiably true. To make claims that are based on unverifiable claims is, to us, untruthful.

For example, you to state that we are "doing the will of God." This presupposes that: (1) you have verified the existence of a "God" and are no longer operating on faith; (2) you know that this "God" is a person who has a "will"; (3) others who claim to know the "will" of a "God," but whose claims contradict yours, are speaking falsehood and that you alone have a monopoly on truth in such matters; and (4) you know all that we are doing, to know that it is in conformance of the "will" of your "God."

We simply cannot take such a leap and consider ourselves honest.

You have failed to make your case that a "God" exists. Thus, we continue to lack a god-belief, and thereby remain atheists.

Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine

From: To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Re: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:54 AM

Thanks for your reply. I really did not expect one.

TODAY

The morning light not yet bright
Though those of the night begin a flight
Back into the darkness they disappear
Into regions of their life not near,

Upon the twilight of the sun and dawn
The inbetween from thence drawn
By a substance preceding the dawn light
New life stirs and wakes not born of night,

Life of old and life anew begins to stir
From sleep from rest a time to adjure
To wake to move about and begin a day
Unfolding breathing moving in another way,

The morning sun with a soft radiant ray
Awakes the creatures and the life of day
To early morning dawn a silent breeze
Passes meadows mountains seas and trees,

Songs of birds and sounds of day
Are waking forming a living vibrant way
For each one there is also another
Be it a friend a parent sister or brother,

As the sun rises from morning to noon
Activity increases each a vibrant tune
To interact with waves of peace and light
On into the evening and into the night.

~Loren~

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