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Update: December 8, 2001 In April 23, 2000, as part of the climax of the Elian Gonzalez affair, INS agents were shown in a much-celebrated photo, guns drawn, capturing the little Cuban child-refugee. That day, Miami Mayor Joe Carollo issued a statement vilifying the agents as "atheists." "They don't believe in God," the Mayor continued. |
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From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Positive Atheism List"
Subject: Mayor calls Immigration agents "atheists"
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 3:55 PM
The latest cultural villains are obviously the agents who were photographed pulling powerful guns in order to seize the child Elian Gonzalez in a hotly disputed custody case.
Please read Miami Mayor Joe Carollo's comments and tell us what you think: "These are atheists. They don't believe in God," he said.
Mayor Carollo's use of the word "atheists" to vilify the agents, along with his comment "They don't believe in God" to further vilify them deserves the swiftest, sternest, most widespread condemnation the nontheistic communities can muster. Here is our opportunity to bury this misuse of the word "atheist" and its concept once and for all.
Please send your comments to local and national news organs, and please distribute this or a similar message to other freethought- and human dignity-based lists.
-- Cliff Walker, Publisher
Positive Atheism Magazine
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Elian Seized
In Pre-Dawn Raid
On Miami Home
United Press International
April 22, 2000
Miami, April 22, 2000 (UPI) -- Armed U.S. Immigration agents Saturday seized 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives where he has been staying.
The raid by about 20 agents in two white vans took place at 5:15 a.m. while the federal government was negotiating with the family's attorneys.
Agents broke down the door and there were reports of the use of pepper spray or tear gas. A female agent surrounded by male officers ran out of the house with Elian in her arms.
The boy was placed in the White van and driven to nearby Watson Island where a helicopter was waiting. He was flown to Homestead Air Reserve Base and put on a jet which flew him to Atlanta. He will be later flown to the Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland where he will be reunited with his father.
One woman who said she was inside the house said federal agents carried rifles, shot teargas inside the house and asked people to lie on the floor at gunpoint. Another witness said the agents shouted "bingo, bingo" when they located the boy in a closet.
Television pictures showed agents pushed a woman to the ground outside the front door of the Gonzales home just as other agents emerged with the boy.
An angry crowd lingered around the Gonzalez home after the boy was taken, occasionally throwing rocks, chairs or other objects.
Family attorney Kendall Coffey was obviously angry that the raid took place while negotiations were taking place, but declined to make any comment until later.
Miami Mayor Joe Carollo said he was outraged by the raid over the Easter weekend.
"These are atheists. They don't believe in God," he said. "There was no need to do this like this. These are hard-working men and women. I had no information at all that this was going to happen."
Ramon Saul Sanchez, head of the anti-Castro Democracia Movement, called for a work stoppage but cautioned against violence. He said he was outraged that the raid took place on Easter weekend.
Elian was taken away from the Miami home after hectic negotiations through Friday night failed to work out a cooperative transfer to his father. Elian Gonzalez has been the cause of a bitter custody battle between the United States and Cuba since he was rescued while he was clinging to an inner tube following a trip from Cuba that took the lives of 11 others, including his mother.
He was placed in the care of the family of his great uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, who with the support of Miami's Cuban-American community tried to keep him in this country rather than send him back to his father in Cuba.
His father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, wanted him back and the federal government backed him. He came to Washington more than two weeks ago and is being reunited with the boy Saturday.
The family has appealed a court ruling allowing his return to his father, and oral arguments are set for the week of May 8.
Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved.
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From: "Larry Carter Center"
To: Positive Atheism <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Re: Mayor calls Immigration agents "atheists"
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 5:28 PM
Hi Cliff, thanx for the Heads Up on McCarthyistic Miami Mayoral insults further villifying our good name free from the religious heated rhetoric on this alleged holy weekend.
The photo shows the fisherman holding Elian,
Now just what is the "fisherman" who fished Elian out of the water doing in his home 5 months after the "rescue" at 5:15 am with an Associated Press photographer (there from the previous night) standing ready to shutterbug the INS agent genuinely rescuing the poor kid from political insanity?
When I was in the US Navy, I did my job & did not expect to become personnally involved with the lives of everyone I came in contact with.
The answer to this is that thousands of anti-Castro Crusaders, many of them Santeria believers, all want Elian as their poster boy, hardly a community of love most children need to grow up normal.
Larry Carter Center
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From: "Peter M Musial"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Re: Mayor calls Immigration agents "atheists"
Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:01 AM
Are not most Cubans religious? Many wanted the boy to stay in the US claiming that he would be find happiness here. Does not their faith teach the morals and the family values? Do they put the material live so far ahead of the family one? What would one prefer, live in US and have a car, VCR, etc and no father, or live in Cuba have less of the material things but instead live with the one that loves him? Coming from Poland, which at that time was also communist country and probably under much stricter regime then Cuba is or ever will, it seemed that people could find happiness in their families and/or what ever believes they had instead of money or comforts.
One should not discount the religion and the religious institutions. It has a good place in the society and an important role, which lately is not being fulfilled. Religion should teach people morals and moderation, however, from looking at the masses of crazed people on the streets of Little Havana, it seems that religion was long forgotten by these people and replaced with material and political aspirations. Isn't this kind of funny that a atheist can look through the clouds of all issues to see that most basic moral right is being raped by the materialism of religious people.
Peter M Musial
Harry S. Truman:
"If you can't convince them, confuse them."
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Cliff Responds:
We are not rendering an opinion on the decision made by the Immigration authorities (although if it were his mother who was still in Cuba, there would be absolutely no discussion as to whether he should go back to her -- in Cuba).
What we are saying is that the agents in this case are widely seen as villains, and that the mayor called those so-called villains "atheists." This is a slap against all atheists. It's not unlike calling Hitler or Manson "atheists" -- everybody hates Hitler and Manson.
If I were to vilify the mayor by calling him names like "a Catholic" or "a Santeria practitioner" the Catholics and Santeria practitioners would not sit there and defend his actions, they would rightly criticize my use of "Catholic" and "Santeria practitioner" as terms of vilification.
We are not asking the mayor to stop vilifying the agents (he has every right and probably every reason to do that); what we are asking atheists to do is to vocally object to the mayor's use of the term "atheists" to vilify the agents.
Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine
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From: "Smith Design Works"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Re: Mayor calls Immigration agents "atheists"
Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 9:49 AM
Dear Mr. Walker it would be an advantage for us Atheists if you would supply the list of e-mail addresses you wish us to respond to.
I believe the response(s) is/are a valid one.
I run a graphic design firm and don't have the time to be looking up various news agencies' addresses. Maybe just said Mayor's office would suffice?
If you could send me a few addresses I will do my part in responding to this critical issue.
Sincerely
Jeffey H. Smith
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Cliff Responds:
Sometimes I only have that extra five or ten minutes with which to prepare these dispatches (as it takes almost a half hour just to mail them all). I agree that I should have looked up the info on the Miami mayor.
Since this is an international story, it is valid in the local papers. We recommend that atheistic activists keep handy the e-mail address of the local papers, talk shows, TV stations, and representatives -- for when a similar situation comes up. Meanwhile, we will try to do the same with the national news outlets and the representatives, mayors, and governors involved in a particular story.
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From:
To: Positive Atheism <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Mayor of Miami
Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:34 PM
Shouldn't somebody tell the mayor of Miami about Leonard Peikoff -- Ayn Rand heir and atheist -- who was trying to help keep Elian in the U.S.?
C. Poe
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From: "Tom Scanlon"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Miami_Mayor_Vilifies_Immigration_Agents_As_'Atheists'_9683
Date: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:01 PM
What Mayor Carollo and his christian brethren do not realize is that by their beliefs, they condone genocide, hating their families and themselves;(Luke 14:26). And very many more acts of immorality.....Atheists do not!!!!
I would question the Mayors' sense of morality and his values...
I will always refer to myself as a "PROUD ATHEIST" for having been able to reject all the hateful things that I was brainwashed with as a christian child...
TomAZ.
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From: "Duval Cellai"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Miami_Mayor_Vilifies_Immigration_Agents_As_'Atheists'
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:42 AM
The people that were holding Elian from being united with his father were Christians and they believe in god which is dog spelled backwards.
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