To Make A
Final Judgement On God?
(unsigned)
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To: "Positive Atheism Magazine"<editor@positiveatheism.org>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:27 AM
Subject: What then?
Dear Atheist,
I don't know what you know about the different religions in the world or whether or not at one point you were part of a religious group. If there is no creator of all things and if everything came into being by itself then I guess you could say that racism is not a bad idea. Afterall, racism stems from thoughts of unequality, and if White people or some other group of people wanted to claim that they were superior then they may have a point because perhaps their race has "evolved" beyond that of other races. Perhaps Hitler was a good guy because he thought his superior race should rule the world. And since we use animals as test subjects in experiments then perhaps it was ok for Hitler to gas the jews because he saw them as a lesser life form. If you have no Creator, no God who has established all the truths in the universe, if there is no one to say what is good and what is not good then every man is free to say what is good and what is not-in short, you create anarchy. So now that have racism and anarchy what ther virtues can we gain from atheism. How about idiocy? Take evolution for example, if I were to bring home a couple of fish from the pet store and the fish had offspring, then what do you think the offspring would be? Cats? Snakes? Birds? I think they would be fish, but give or take a few million years and some scientists would say cats, snakes, etc... Total lunacy. I'll put any one of those scientists in a steep pit and watch to see whether or not he is able to "adapt" and get out by growing wings or sprouting suction cups on his fingers. I've seen many basketball players flapping their arms during basketball games and to my sheer amazement I've never heard of one of them who has actually sprouted one feather on his arm. Not even half a feather!
I deal in logic. And logic states that 'only like begets like' and the laws of thermodynamics state that energy is neither created nor destroyed. If there was a 'big bang' then who lit the fuse? It may be hard for you to grasp the idea of a God who Created everything who has always existed but everything has always existed why can't God have always existed? If only you would except what was so obvious- you would see and recognize that there is a creator, that everything is logical, and made with purpose.
What's it like for you to live your life without knowing your purpose? What's it like to see yourself as meaningless ooze that crawled out of a magical pond? I'd hate to live such a meaningless, racist, illogical, anarchy filled life as your own.
Perhaps you might have some light as to why you've chosen this path and you can 'enlighten' me sharing it. Or perhaps you'd like to know more about the Creator...
From:
To: "Positive Atheism Magazine"<editor@positiveatheism.org>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:49 AM
Subject: P.S.
Just because many ignorant people have abused the creator does this give you the right to make a final judgement on God? If you make mistakes in your math am I to say that math does not exist? Is it not logical that the creator can fix His own creation? No where in the Bible does it state that Jesus broke any laws of nature or laws of physics. It does state however that God is the 'law giver' and would be illogical therfore to assume that God would do anything unlawful.
As for the Bible itself, it is truly 'inspired of God' -because many people were inspired by God to write. Is the Bible totally accurate? No. There are discrepencies in the Bible -but that doesn't change who God is. If two people write different stories about the same man it doesn't mean that either of them are right but at least one of them are wrong. The writers of the bible were not perfect beings so why expect as much from their writings. The Catholics who put the Bible together were very ignorant people themselves as I am sure you will agree.
Truth will always be truth. Seek truth, and you will see God.
Sir or Ma'am:
Your logic is atrocious. This does not surprise me, as faith is about believing what one is told; it is not about seeking truth.
First, if there is no creator, that does not automatically mean that the universe came into existence by itself. It is conceivable that the universe has always existed and that what is called the "Big Bang" was the result of a previous "big collapse." That is one of many alternative explanations for the existence of the universe. It is very dishonest of you to limit the atheist to only one alternative -- that of the universe coming into existence by itself.
Next, it does not follow that we think racism is a good idea. For you to say that we think this is blatant slander on your part. (Then, again, nobody ever said that faith wants truth to be demonstrated to you -- right before before your very eyes.)
Racism is a product of tribalism and nationalism, which are -- again -- usually the result of believing what one is told rather than thinking for oneself. In this sense, tribalism and nationalism differ very little from faith in religious dogma.
Adolf Hitler was only continuing what his church had been doing for nineteen centuries. He justified his atrocities with the Bible and historical Church precedent. Using the Bible as his guide, Hitler thought he was doing what was right; he thought he was carrying out God's will, as revealed in Holy Scripture.
Hitler abused logic and truth in a manner similar to the way you have done in your letter to me. He put words in his opponents' mouths (as you have done to me), and then proceeded to denounce the things that his opponents never said in the first place (as you have done in your letters).
You lie about my not knowing my purpose in life. I know my purpose in life. I have thought about this for my entire life. I know that I must leave this world a better place than I found it, using all the resources available to me -- particularly my mind. Far from being "meaningless ooze that crawled out of a magical pond," I am a member of the collective DNA molecule that has surmounted seemingly impossible to survive and to become what we organisms have become. I am constantly awed by this fact -- almost to the point of being distracted from everyday life.
You, my fellow human, are free to continue your program of lies and spitefulness. I will use this opportunity to make this a better world by opening your letter up to discussion. Perhaps we can all learn something from you in spite of your seeming refusal to be truthful.
I will continue to judge the Christian, Jewish, Islamic, and Hindu gods by their own alleged words, especially those claims (made by their followers) that faith produces superior behavior than do thought and doubt. The "many ignorant people" you mention have acted according to faith, and have produced the fruits of a faith-filled life: lies, to protect the integrity of the faith; murder, to protect the purity of the congregation; theft, to protect the stability of the religion.
If your religion was about truth, then you would not have lied to me and you would not have lied about me. With that, I think I can do a far superior job at making myself honest and at having a purpose than your god has done with you.
Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine
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