It's A Non-Event
-- Fiction
Heinz Puppe
From: "Heinz Puppe"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: PA-via_Q_and_A:_Walk_Equals_Talk
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:42 PM
Rudolf Augstein has written a book with the title Jesus, son of Man, in about 1970. It's now updated, at least in German. No translation yet. Augstein showed that there is no historical contemporary record of this Jesus ever having existed. He is a fictional character.
And so is Moses. There are plenty of papyri and carved in stone records of the various dynasties of Egypt of the time Moses is supposed to have existed. There is no mention of Moses and the march of the Israelites through the Red Sea and the drowning of a whole Egyptian army in pursuit of them. It's a non-event. Fiction.
Good luck!
Heinz W. Puppe
College Station, TX
From: "Positive Atheism Magazine" <editor@positiveatheism.org> To: "Heinz Puppe"
Subject: Re: PA-via_Q_and_A:_Walk_Equals_Talk
Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:03 PM
I say that to assert that no Jesus existed is to carry it too far. We can, with confidence, say that the attempts to show that he did exist are stretches at best. We can also show the mythical origins of much of the Christian system of reality. But to assert that no Jesus existed is to carry it way too far -- even G. A. Wells has stated as much in one of his more recent books.
Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine
Five years of service to
people with no reason to believe
From: Heinz Puppe
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:52 AM
Subject: fiction
The story of Jesus is fiction. Read R. Augstein. And Tom Payne: "The Age of Reason."
Heinz Puppe
College Station, TX
From: "Positive Atheism Magazine" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Heinz Puppe"
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: fiction
Ah, yes! We all know that the story is fiction. This is not to say that there was no historical character named Jesus, who thought he was messiah or was in influential religious teacher (or an even an obscure religous teacher) upon whose life history the Jesus myth was erected.
All I'm saying is that as tough as it is for Christians to show that a historical Jesus even existed, for us to assert that there was no historical figure behind this fish-tale to end all fish-tales is to go too far.
But of course this fish-tale is just that -- a fish-tale.
Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine
Five years of service to
people with no reason to believe
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