Leave You Alone? No!
I've Come To Bug You!
Ben Piper
From: "Ben"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: August 25, 2001 12:30 AM
Subject: website
Hi, I was reading a little response you posted to Richard C. Church on the "Positive Atheism" website. When I read your request for theists to "Leave you the **** alone" I decided to bug you. I can tell that you decided at some point that you would be an atheist regardless, even in spite of whatever evidence you would be given. You obviously don't know the Bible since you don't know that God does have a name other than "God." Anyway, since you believe writing to be your strength, I challenge you to debate Bob Enyart via email or perhaps an open online forum. If you don't want to, just say so, but don't come up with some lame excuse.
Ben Piper
From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Ben"
Subject: Re: website
Date: August 25, 2001 1:43 AM
I read your request for theists to "Leave you the **** alone" I decided to bug you.
That's very "Christian" of you -- as they used to say.
I can tell that you decided at some point that you would be an atheist regardless, even in spite of whatever evidence you would be given.
You mean to tell me that without even knowing me, you can tell what's going on in the privacy of my own mind? I always thought mine was the final word on what goes on in there. Nevertheless, my open challenge to theists to provide me with evidence calls you a liar. Now that you have lied to me about this, I really don't have any reason to trust you on matters that aren't as easy to verify as what's going on in my own mind.
Try this one: the Christian volcano god's name is "Jealous":
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." |
Again you lie: I have read the Bible cover-to-cover twelve different times, plus other partial readings over the past 30 years.
Anyway, since you believe writing to be your strength, I challenge you to debate Bob Enyart via email or perhaps an open online forum.
My response to the invitation to "debate" Bob Enyart is posted on our web site for all to see. I'm not going to repeat it for you here, mainly because your lack of candor has evaporated any respect I may have had for you had you been more honest with me.
Have a nice life. As far as I can tell, it's the only one we get.
Cliff Walker
Positive Atheism Magazine
Six years of service to
people with no reason to believe
From: "Ben" <benj@bellsouth.net>
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: August 25, 2001 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: website
I read your request for theists to "Leave you the **** alone" I decided to bug you.
That's very "Christian" of you -- as they used to say.
As an atheist who doesn't know the Bible, you are not qualified to say what is and what is not "Christian."
I can tell that you decided at some point that you would be an atheist regardless, even in spite of whatever evidence you would be given.
You mean to tell me that without even knowing me, you can tell what's going on in the privacy of my own mind? I always thought mine was the final word on what goes on in there. Nevertheless, my open challenge to theists to provide me with evidence calls you a liar. Now that you have lied to me about this, I really don't have any reason to trust you on matters that aren't as easy to verify as what's going on in my own mind.
How clever. You managed to fabricate a flimsy argument that I am a liar (although you fail to point out which exact statement contains a lie), and now you are using your "conclusion" to rationalize dismissing anything else I might say. You prove my point: you have decided that you are going to be an atheist no matter what.
You obviously don't know the Bible since you don't know that God does have a name other than "God."
Again you lie: I have read the Bible cover-to-cover twelve different times, plus other partial readings over the past 30 years.
Does the word "Lord" ring a bell? Take a look at some Old Testament manuscripts and find the word that Israel used.
Anyway, since you believe writing to be your strength, I challenge you to debate Bob Enyart via email or perhaps an open online forum.
My response to the invitation to "debate" Bob Enyart is posted on our web site for all to see. I'm not going to repeat it for you here, mainly because your lack of candor has evaporated any respect I may have had for you had you been more honest with me.
The feeling is almost mutual, except I never had any respect for you in the first place. I read your response, and your use of vulgar language indicates much about you. Your condescending attitude toward those who are articulate in speaking is a smokescreen to hide the fact that you are simply unwilling to debate Bob for whatever reason. Also, please drop the victim mentality you have. If you think you are enduring such great hardships and being stigmatized because you're an atheist, just wait until Judgment Day.
From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Ben" <benj@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <abuse@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: website
Date: August 25, 2001 2:48 AM
Since you choose to be neither honest nor polite, we insist that you send no more e-mail to our domain.
Cliff Walker
Positive Atheism Magazine
Six years of service to
people with no reason to believe
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