You Pips Little Obsession
With Anti-Christian Ideas
Jason Seiler
From: "Jason Seiler"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: October 03, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: My Conclusion
I read that, "Article," on the Ten Commandments not being posted in schools, and to tell you the truth I found it amusing. I understand you pips little obsession with anti-christian ideas, but you really don't understand the ten commandments at all.
What I just cannot understand htou , is why you are soooo obsessed with going against Christianity. If you don't believe what we believe then practice what you preach and stop jaming your belief system down everyone elses throats. Some of us still fear the LORD,(JEHOVAH) and theres no reason to single us out for that all the time. Thanx.
From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Jason Seiler"
Subject: Re: My Conclusion
Date: October 04, 2001 3:11 AM
1. Why would we have anything to say about the Ten Commandments were it not for the fact that Christians are constantly trying to have these grotesquely poor excuses for morality posted in our public schools!? All we want in this entire discussion is to be able to prevent our children from being exposed to this extremely poor example of moral guidance.
Now, who is jamming what down whose throat?
2. Why is trying to protect our children from the stark immorality of the Hebrew Decalogue seen as an obsession (twice)? Why not, rather, just obey the law and keep your religion out of public and government life?
3. Why do you resort to name-calling? Could it be that you have no valid point to make, so all you have left is to call your ideological opponents "little pips" and then lie about us by calling us "anti-Christian." Why, you even went so far as to enclose the word article in quotation marks, thereby calling it something less than an article!
If you had a case at all, would you need to go that far? No, you wouldn't. Not if you had a case for yourself. But the Fundamentalist Christians (and the Twelve Steppers) stand out amongst all those who write to us as being most willing to resort to such dishonest tactics, and it becomes clear, whenever you do this, that you really have nothing to say for yourselves -- so you hurl abuse upon those of us who would dare try to protect ourselves and our children from your abuse and your dishonesty.
4. We do not single you out: you Fundamentalist Christians single yourselves out. You do this by constantly sending us patently dishonest, unfair, and gratuitously abusive messages such as the one you just sent.
Don't you have a life of your own? Must you seek out web sites erected for the benefit of atheists and waste our volunteers' time by sending us dishonest and abusive e-mails? Would you fault me for using your letter as an example of why one does well by not becoming a Christian? why superior morality is available through almost any system of ethics other than the Christian religion? Does your e-mail not make an air-tight case against allowing our children to be exposed to the Hebrew Ten Commandments?
Cliff Walker
Positive Atheism Magazine
Six years of service to
people with no reason to believe
From: "Jason Seiler"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: October 04, 2001 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: My Conclusion
go start your own country then. It's my right to say and do whatever I want with religion, so don't tell me that my e-mail was abusive. That wasn't abusive, in fact I was very civil! i didn't seek you out, some link to you was advertised! So give me a break! If you don't want someone mailing you about some views that you post on an internet sight that millions see, then take your e-mail off the web-page. I don't think I was hostile towards you, so I was kinda surprised you were so hostile towards me! When this country has In God we Trust, and used to have the ten commandments (which don't harm anyone, noone is telling anybody to BECOME A ROBOT AND BE A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE WE POST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS) posted in schools, wow, look at the harm they have done. Our whole govermental system hasn't been brought to it's knees by it. In fact, go read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, without Christian views Capitalism would fail! Ok, I'll shut-up now, because I know that you said in your letter that you don't like to have abusive mail, i hope I haven't sounded abusive, sometimes I can feel the same way any other person does when they are accused of being Stupid ignorant people that don't pay attention to what they believe and read.. no matter the point, it's just called human reaction. Oh yeah, about the ten commandments in the school? I don't think it should be mandatory that you have them up, but I don't think you should ban them..
My Brother Micah sent you this e-mail using my e-mail account on my computer, sorry If took the liberty of responding. I don't agree with his idea of name calling, (which I noticed after reading his letter again) I guess he got mad, heh
but the anti-christian, it sure sounds like your anti-christian, aren't you?
Jason Seiler
From: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Jason Seiler"
Subject: Re: My Conclusion
Date: October 04, 2001 5:22 AM
When this country has In God we Trust
-- and --
go start your own country then.
"In God We Trust" was placed on our currency during the McCarthy Era of the 1950s. It had been on a few low-denomination coins before then, but never regularly. Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson made our motto E Pluribus Unum, "Of the many, one" or, in today's vernacular, "Out of diversity comes unity." As Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin said while in orbit, "I don't see any God up here!"
Why do you folks keep insisting on using that one in trying to make your case that this is a Christian country? Is that the best you can do? the 1950s?
Yes, it is the best you can do: You lie and to use derogatory language toward your ideological opponents because you really don't have a case.
Why don't you get yourself an education and figure out that America's love affair with the Christian religion is very recent, dating back to the days of "Leave It To Beaver" and "I Love Lucy"? Before then, the South was not the Bible Belt but was a Mecca of Freethought and Deism.
Once more, please go bother somebody else with your shenanigans: this is a serious forum that discusses serious issues in truthfulness, not an online service chat line where people are encouraged to argue by calling one another names.
My Brother Micah sent you this e-mail using my e-mail account on my computer,
I don't tell other people to "get a life." But I will say that doing just that sure helped me become a much happier person than I was when I was a Fundamentalist Christian, obsessing on what Secular Humanists and Mormons and lesbians thought and said and did.
Cliff Walker
Positive Atheism Magazine
Six years of service to
people with no reason to believe
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